Related: Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best. >>>>>>>>>>>>And didn't Ziegler subsequently admit that the Somerton people> only learned of Bill's identity as a result of becoming suspicious of> his manner of arrival and the costume-rental receipt in his coat> pocket?<<<<<<<<<<<<<, > So maybe they were all wearing walkie talkies under those masks, what do, > you want me to say?..no, this IS left as a huge mystery. What's going on?>> Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? Nah, the only dreams in the movie are the one that Alice tells to Billand then Bill "daydreams' (thinks about) her having sex with thatsailor. and she replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," Mandy says, "I know." ", http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIXuHaaz5iU, > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. <<<<<<<<. >>>>>>>>>If this were really the> case, wouldn't Bill have recognised that voice when speaking to the> masked woman at Somerton, instead of asking her "Who are you?" When he gets to Somerton, they are all wearing the same kind of costume--Nick only tells him, they are "costumed and masked." I think this feeling of guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. WebDirected by Stanley Kubrick Writing Credits Cast (in credits order) verified as complete Produced by Music by Jocelyn Pook Cinematography by Larry Smith (lighting > the same time, being simple and concrete. The big question is how did the mask get there, and who left it? 20 years ago today, the final masterpiece from the late, great Stanley Kubrick arrived in theaters. > But the credits have Abigail Good as> "mysterious woman" and Julienne Davis as Mandy. I think the voice would have rung a bell and the Newspaper story rang a bell, with the name Amanda, and of course seeing the corpse of someone who may have sacrificed her life for him--so he was in shock. http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/japanese-zen/. <<<<<<<<<<<<<>. The "over the rainbow" remark earlier at Zeigler's party was already a suggestion for Bill to think of his patient who owned "Rainbow Fashions." Yes, and we could speculate even further: there are no dream sequenceswhatsoever in the film, Alice's story about the navel officer being arecollection of her past desires, not a portrayed dream as such atall. And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? >>on the balcony looking down at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to >>him. > Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the > Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow > our mind. Same voice. As for Kelpzoid's rants on the topic - isn't there a RAW Illuminatusng out there somewhere? > not bothering, even, to use them correctly, the way that you are using > them> serves to obfuscate rather than clarify your meaning. What a mish mash of mental masturbation that is.. Psycho-semi-freudian-lacanisn-junkie-marxist babbling. The rhizomatic uncertainties and> > uncanny inconsistencies multiply >> "Rhizomatic uncertainties"?>> I actually had to look that up. This is the implication of Dream Storytoo - with the movie being quite faithful to the structure of the novella - though Kubrick obviously leaves this moment up to interpretation. Perhaps itwould have worked better if there had been a photo in the newsarticle. He's eventually discovered and forced to remove his mask but is saved from a bleak fate by another masked woman who tried to warn him to leave earlier. or psychotherapists. The point, however, is that even if all three female'characters' are the same woman (and so, effectively, the samecharacter), this serves to set up even more contradictions, not tomention buying in to Ziegler's warped, patriarchal world. Take another listen. >>Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from the bathroom, till he happened to >>see the news story and saw the name "Amanda," then it started to come >>together.>, > These last points I've already covered>. Harry, you are calling him a troll for criticizing your manic, vain and pretentious word salad? ". > First of all, Mandy must have felt some connection with Bill since he was > showing her concern and kindness in the Bathroom. In one of the final scenes, Bill comes home and as he comes to bed he sees Alice (Nicole Kidman) sleeping next to the same Venetian mask he wore at the party. > The way Zeigler confirms it was Mandy is matter of fact and it isn't as > though Bill seemed surprised at this--even if the audience might still be > confused.>, > 2. Even had Alice found it in the cadenza, would > she have recognized it as meaningful and taken it?>> Even though much was 'cleared" up there are still major mysteries here. He treated her as a not-very-importantpatient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery. >>>>>>>>>>That would not be valuable or insightful speculation, but a totaldenial of most of what happens in the film (another variation of 'it'sall just a dream', everything being attributable to the delusions ofBill's mind, a denial of the world of social power, similar to sayingthat everything that happens to Jack Torrance in The Shining is all'in his mind'). It was in the trailer or a TV spot. And why should anyone acceptanything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman(or women) as "a hooker. Rather, he> is beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the masked> woman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her up> close in the morgue. > Well thats all true, but of course that was SK making a masterpiece and > one of the most amazing films ever made IMO. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. WebChords for Backward Priests, normal version of Masked Ball Eyes wide shut with lyrics. AmericanCinematographer did some thing on the lighting or something in thismovie when it came out, but David Mullen who used to post here (whenthis place was even worse) could answer like anything. As though testing how well Bill's implanted suggestions had taken..????? When we see the naked corpse's face from the overhead shot, at first it's hard to tell if it's really Mandy's face, because of the expression and the angle, her combed back hair etc. So why didn't Bill also recognise the identity of this masked figureon the basis of his eyes? In a buddhist sutra, Sakyamuni, criticized the compulsive mental masturbators and referred to them as people "counting ganges sands." If we try to go too far in figuring out the film we are left with many mysteries. How? ">> "Victor what can I say. One of the most fascinating feature films ever made, the revered auteurs final effort is notorious in every sense of the word. while walking down one of the NY streets, the background glowsbeautifucally. >>What else could he call it? This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the filmitself, there is absolutely no indication - other than Ziegler'sdubious contention - that Mandy is also the masked woman at Somerton.There could even have been two deaths. That is what she was" implying that her deathis of no consequence because of the low-status manner in which Zieglerchooses to define her (an identity created and perpetuated by theZieglers of the world in the first place), earlier confirmed by hisdesire to get the drugged-out Mandy out of his bathroom and house("Can we put some clothes on her and get her out of here?" Is that how youwould describe it? S he was the same woman who overdosed at Victor Ziegler's party earlier in the movie. You're coming across as yet another FUCKING TROLL!! Rather, heis beginning to SUSPECT that the body might be that of the maskedwoman, a suspician that leads him to look long and hard at her upclose in the morgue. >> The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all> along. Crumb Eye. I trhink Steven Lizberger is right. He stares down at her but that'sit, and Kubrick tryied in vain to tlel his stories visually so itshould be considerd from a visual perspective. Somerton could hardly be >> >>>>>> described (and>, >> certainly not by Bill) as a 'party.'<<<<<<<<<<<. Superman movies must keep him in the pre 80s, or he needsto do some serious upgrading. Is that how > you> would describe it? andpleading with her to take off her mask? He only ultimately accepts Ziegler's account because it> gives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerful> position - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing to> the demands and realities of Ziegler's world). Yes, the uncertainty about the identities of the women is Structuralto the film's splintered narrative. The Daily Planet may go under too. You saw > her volunteer to sacrifice herself so the orgy managers would let Doctor > Cruise go free.>> If the woman in the mask had been the same woman as Mandy, you would have > expected some recognition of that from Doctor Cruise. > it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." WebOne of the masked women warns him he is in terrible danger. >>>>>>>>> And even if it was clear, even if he had> referred directly to the events of the night before as the (Somerton)> party, it would still be uncertain, because>> 1. NG was :>the realization of that potential. > certainly not by Bill) as a 'party. Indeed, the film iscentrally concerned with the failure of a 'male-centric' andpatriarchal ideology to deal with female desire; and the narrativethrust of the film revolves around Bill's increasingly hopelessefforts to flee from (but also to copy and avenge) Alice's desire, adesire from which he is completely excluded, just as he is laterexcluded from the desire-space of the power-elite at Somerton. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.netRemove the NOSPAM before replying to me. that Bill first makes this connection, or at least, has> it confirmed by someone else (Ziegler)", > Ditto. Again, how is it 'clearly' the same voice? The (unnamed) woman in the mask who warns Doctor Cruise is the same woman who ends up dead in the morgue. Bill in that scene was simply behaving as a (not very) professionaldoctor; and he seemed just as concerned about Ziegler's anxiety thanabout Mandy's actual wellbeing. and she >> replies, "Better," and then when Bill says, "you are a very lucky girl," >> Mandy says, "I know." You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. Think of that journey as Dr. Bill's "living nightmare" or "daydream," which began after he left his wife. Perhaps the conspiracies surrounding Eyes Wide Shut began when the maker of the film, Stanley Kubrick, died only days after the first viewing of it. Even in the morgue he still might not have been positive, but he replays her voice in his head while looking over the body. He treated her as a not-very-important> patient; no Mandys attend Bill's upmarket surgery.>, Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast.>, > How? I agree though, he hadnt made a defintiive connection yet. -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.net, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oB6g66OYoKI, "Steven L."
1925 . > Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. The genre of Stanley Kubricks last film, based on the well-known story of the Austrian A. Schnitzler, The Novel of Dreams (1925-1926), can be interpreted in different ways. > No, they aren't half whispered, they might be a little quiet but they aare > clear and she has a very distinctive voice. If those 2-3 women were supposed to be the same woman, Kubrick would, I thought this film was much less interesting than the competing film, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Kelpzoidzl <, In rec.arts.movies.past-films Harry Bailey <, On Feb 26, 3:27pm, "Avoid normal situations. After Dr. Bill Harford's wife, Alice, admits to having sexual fantasies about a man she met, Bill becomes obsessed with having a sexual encounter. ANSWER. >>>>>>>>>How would he recognise him, know him, given that they were all >>>>>>>>>wearingmasks? Those critics of EWS must have > been delerious. If it is vague, then how can it also be 'clear'? 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