So this is going to be a fascinating podcast. I said, I will confess my transgression to the Lord, and you forgave the iniquity of my sin. My husband and I pray that anyone who has been hurt or used by Im can heal. 2011 NIV. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? There was just an absolute refusal to rebuke him publicly. So, Dan, thank you for that. And we already know the answer: the men are in charge no matter what and despite their failings and abuses. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Yes, I agree. Okay thats what Gods word says. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. This is not my judgment but that of his elders from HBC. And he said, you know, James Macdonald had requested that I come out to a meeting and he had requested Mike Dunwoody and one other elder Mark Hopwood was a longtime elder from Elgin that we would all join them for a meeting at seven oclock on that Thursday night. The leaders in our church spoke like KJ era British people when they prayed, I always wondered why. Thank you Jesus, Amen. He surrounded himself with yes men and used intimidation tactics to keep people in line. So Rick had been there 29 plus years. Not everybody had the physical letters, but we talked through what was in the letters. And a few days later James MacDonald's sons, Luke and . And I had already written back to Executive Committee Chairman at the time and said, we cannot say unconditional support. Yeah, I got sued, but the case got dropped. But he demanded that he be flown home on a private jet. Dominican Republic, a resort there and invited their wives to come with them. And then out of the blue, I get slapped with a lawsuit from James McDonald before I published anything. These were people bringing charges against an elder. I was literally sitting in a hotel lobby waiting for a pickup at one oclock in the morning to catch an overnight flight back from India. So that tells you something about the backbone and the integrity of Dan Marquardt. It was a Wednesday or Thursday night on the Rolling Meadows campus. Is that how it went down? I agree that its loving to speak the truth, even when its unpopular, but the New Testament also has a lot to say about the way we conduct ourselves and how we should treat each other. You have exemplified godly leadership and godly character. Thats what meeting and when youre in a conference called and youre making a decision like that, every elder everybody on the meeting on the call had to make right had the voice be asked any question you have. But one of the circumstances hes talking about, hes talking about something specific where Id stood up for him in a meeting years ago. Because it was still a time when many elders were not admitting any of the wrongs that they had done. He has always been a total its all about me. This was a many time thing. In our required Old and New Testament classes, we utilized the Oxford Annotated Bible. We are so embarrassed and disgusted by his gross actions in the last 30 years. Tell Harvest Church board hows the fruit now? And we shouldnt be, you know, happy with standing in line and say, well, so and so said that, right? Ill write a statement. Theres 30 men in the room. I hope you have a great day and God bless. Thats a Tuesday night. Marquardt is a Buick GMC dealership where you can expect honesty, integrity and transparency. And man, if you go back and listen to this morning, morning show I I just, I remember turning on the radio and hearing this, you know, Old MacDonald had a call, e-i, e-i, o This young man had put together it only Mancow can can deliver something the way that he does. I mean, here he is in Haiti, thats just been wracked by an earthquake, unbelievable poverty and devastation. Hi. Okay. And if I can give you a context, where I was in my thought process, in that. It is grounds for separation but not divorce., This view is popular in fundamentalist Christian circles. According to anindependent auditof Harvest Bible Chapel, disgraced celebrity pastor, James MacDonald, siphoned off millions in church funds to support his lavish lifestyle. Right, so now you have this meeting that ends you know, Tuesday night meeting that ends in the wee hours of the Wednesday, February 6. I also knew that I needed to talk enough so that it wasnt like, well, this whats whats going on with him? Dan, thank you for being a humble man of God. Thanks! How can we approve this? The senior pastor at my church moved into town in 2014, and bought a home in proximity to the church for $260,000. She first came to my attention with James MacDonald, then with Ravi Zacharias, and now John McArthur plus one of his side-kicks is in her cross-hairs. And I sat down on the couch in my office and cried. So so sorry for anyone who has had to face the James MacDonald storm. What it really means to speak the truth in love, one post read. It was demonic. If you find yourself unaware of Leslie said: Julie Roys is a Christian investigative reporter who has called out some big names, and she has suffered for it. But, I dont believe I have ever heard anyone say in any of these posts, husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself for her. Hi. And that was actually the night we went, we went into the I think we went to one oclock in the morning and actually walked through whether James McDonald was qualified as an elder. Should have that should have been enough of enough of a clue for me to say, Wait, wait, wait, thats a check. And it was it was a battle in the natural, exposing James McDonald, the letters, the articles, everything. . Nah Gary, thats just typical cat behavior for you, with or without Kenneth Copeland. John MacArthur, for example, has preached, Scripture does not automatically permit divorce in the case of a physically abusive husband. Instead, MacArthur urges abused wives not to provoke any circumstances that will make your husband become violent. But if he continues to be abusive, The wife should remove herself from danger by fleeing the home if necessary.. We knew I needed to do it. TED also reported that MacDonald's church Harvest Bible Chapel was $65 million in debt. Youre better off reading the Bible at home with your cat. And all of the elders should resign and repent for what they did. And today youre going to hear from a former insider at Harvest, former elder Dan George. Six people who I doubt wherever actually all in the same room. She wrote about, you alluded to it, she wrote about the end of this Risen for the Nations tour when they were in Haiti. So you werent part of the lawsuit. And so I was pulling into the garage, and I knew I knew, as soon as I pulled in the garage, you know, I was, I was gonna go drive up to whatever floor and go to the meeting. We did not hurry. Very interesting discussion. But some of these people, for 10 years or more, had been maligned. Great! I just know I got them. Chicago-area Republic Bank has stopped foreclosure proceedings against disgraced celebrity preacher, James MacDonald, and reinstated MacDonald's mortgage on his $1.5 million Elgin estate. And this still disheartens me, because the people of Harvest, who we were supposed to be overseeing at that point, we were silent on that weekend, because we couldnt come to an agreement about what we would do. I believe it was from Mancow who texted me. So far, I feel the leadership of my current church embodies this well. James McDonald recently did a video with Ron Duitsman, as you said, former chairman of the elder board, where he claims this was all part of a campaign by Dallas Jenkins, who's a former executive leadership team member at Harvest. SMH. And so I felt relief. Im not positive on that. And I was still on the elder board, we shrunk the elder board that next week down to nine men. I encourage you to talk to Christian doctors who are fearful of extreme under no circumstances legislation that now forces molested preteens to give birth, and makes it difficult to treat a septic Again, six, absolutely scathing letters. I had asked one of the one of the people on the reconciliation team earlier that day, I said, Im going to go into a meeting with James McDonald and I need I need to have the letters I need to know. If you wind back and in in elder meetings, I remember it being said by several several people, years before, if people start arguing the process, you know, you have them right up there arguing in the process. We had a group of Pastors who interviewed him and he gave us free tickets to his Straight Up conference. The only joy in doing this is we would be obeying Gods word. Theres no joy in doing this. Like Tullian Tchvidjian, he would be a great salesman. In this episode of The Roys Report, former Harvest elder, Dan George, joins Julie to tell the real story of MacDonalds firing. And you know, shepherds, I think of John 10, right, the the hireling runs away, the Good Shepherd stays. But I knew I needed to do it. No One Knows. And theres Ephesians 5 about exposing the unfruitful works of darkness having nothing to do with those. Is that an accurate representation? If theres other passages we should be talking about, lets talk about them. As I saw it, this letter of unconditional support was a huge and somewhat desperate PR move on James MacDonalds part, to say, hey, look, all our leaders stand with us, I must be okay. This wasnt anything else. Well, youre welcome. This is the most used and abused (pun intended) argument. And I said, I understand that. I followed his ministry for almost 2 decades. And I stopped my car. Others as well, who were defending and saying, well, the elders shouldnt even have these letters we had agreed, they go to the reconciliation team. We knew what we knew what we were going to do. He was in Walk in the Word studios apparently, and said some really vile things, including, you know, joking about putting child porn on a computer, joking about me having an affair with a Christianity Today editor, which has no basis in fact whatsoeve. And I want to help people lead the church well. I know James McDonald says it was a conference call. So for Jim McDonald to say that he didnt remember like, Im not buying it, right? Maybe if the shoe was on the other foot and the men were the ones being abused we might hear them singing a different tune. And that would have been right before you came back on the board. His support of Kari Lake shows that he supports her lies. Thank you for loving the Church and the Lord God Almighty, to take the hard but righteous way rather than the hard way. James MacDonald. And eventually, and I know you send them with a lot of safeguards, so they couldnt be forwarded. Visconti also had posts supporting far-right causes. To donate, click here. Thank you. I feel that our beginnings, KJV or influences kept many people locked in to the Old Testament, with all of its Thou Shalt nots. One person suggested reading the New Testament first for a change and then read the Old Testament for the beginnings, the stories and allegories and basically manmade superstitions and misogynies. So those letters, and I just, I had to thank you, Dan, because those letters may have never reached the full elder board had you not push the issue. There was a whole discussion about whether he was repentant and I said, I dont know, hes not repentant. When Christian leaders continue to teach that abuse does not constitute biblical grounds for divorce they are wrong, Vernick wrote. According to Harvest Bible Chapel pastor James McDonald, former Moody Radio host Julie Roys and bloggers Ryan Mahoney and Scott Bryant published and helped publicize false and damaging financial . Its loving to give medicine to a sick patient, and its loving to speak the truth to a deceived person.. Because Julie, I knew that, even if Id gotten the chance to read it in front of Harvest, which would have been really hard, but would have been healing to people. | (Photo: Harvest Bible Chapel video screen grab) Harvest Bible Chapel has dropped a lawsuit against author and journalist Julie Roys and the writers of the Elephant's Debt blog amid public scrutiny for an alleged culture of fear, intimidation, and financial mismanagement. Dan resigned from the Harvest elder board in March 2019, calling for reform. One is, I dont want people to give up on the church. Otherwise just say what you really mean in your question: Im better than you because I would never support So I appreciate it. And I got the text. I remember going home, my wife picked me up, I went home, and I just laid on the couch and looked at her. It was a battle in the natural but more than that, there was a spiritual battle going on then, and I think its still going on now. How come its always wives submit to your husbands and never husbands love your wives? Thanks for for standing up for what was right. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. This is a story that directly contradicts what MacDonald published in recent videos and statements on his webpage. Well, again, joining me today is Dan George, a former elder at Harvest, and one of only two former elders whos apologized to me personally, for some of the nasty things that were said about me when I was reporting on the church and James McDonald. And she immediately said, Ill write a letter. I say this as a Christian who was taken to task by Christian doctors who told me of all sorts of cases that are not as the woman loved murdering her baby as many pro-life conservatives want everyone to believe. She was a late comer to those of us who had been exposing MacD for a long time. I payed for you and James. It was a conference call because it happened fast. Well, maybe it had approval by the executive elders, maybe it had approval by Fred Adams, who was the CFO at the time. If you read his letter, he was going to publish his letter. And he opened the meeting, looking at me and said, I know what youre going to do, and the church is going to implode or blow up, and its going to be on you. And there was a voicemail from one of the pastors at Harvest, in a really sort of pushing for me to sign that put my name to that. Jennifer The Asbury Revival Is Over. Bank Dismisses Foreclosure on James MacDonald's Estate After Settlement with Harvest. 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